Something for the Pain
Season 3: Surveying Substance Use Disorders

Season 3 of ECHO Idaho’s Something for the Pain podcast features an overview of evidence-based insights, research updates, treatment options and other helpful information pertaining to substances commonly associated with substance use disorders, presented by an interdisciplinary team of Idaho healthcare experts.
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Episode 29 – Nari Hsiu, D.O. – Surveying Substance Use Disorder: Benzodiazepines
Featuring: Nari Hsiu, D.O., Psychiatry and Addiction Medicine Specialist, Boise VA Medical Center
Featuring: Nari Hsiu, DO, Psychiatrist and Addiction Medicine Specialist, VA Medical Center, Boise
Didactic Presentation Details
- Didactic Presenter: Nari Hsiu, DO, Psychiatrist and Addiction Medicine Specialist, VA Medical Center, Boise
- Didactic Presentation Title: “Tapering Off Benzodiazepines: The How and Why”
- Didactic Presentation Date: Nov. 11, 2021
- ECHO Idaho Series: Opioids, Pain and Substance Use Disorders
- Didactic Presentation Video
Resources and Publications Mentioned
- Chlordiazepoxide (Librium)
- National Institute of Drug Abuse
- VA Academic Detailing
- Carbamazepine
- Stevens-Johnson Syndrome
- Hydroxyzine
- Buspirone
- Gabapentin
- Pregabalin
- CBT-I: an abbreviation that’s short for Cognitive Behavioral Therapy for Insomnia
- CBT-I Coach
- PRN: abbreviation of a latin phrase “pro re nata” meaning, “as the thing is needed.”
- Doxepin
- TCA: an abbreviation for tricyclic antidepressant
- Zolpidem
- Clonazepam
- Diazepam
- Lorazepam
- Klonopin: (see Clonazepam)
- Alprazolam
- Xanax: (see alprazolam)
- Zaleplon
- DuPont, R.L. J Addict Med, 2017.11(2) Should patients with substance use disorders by prescribed benzodiazepines?
Speaking Credits
- Narrator / Host: Sam Steffen, Digital Media/Communications Specialist, ECHO Idaho, Boise
- Speaker: Nari Hsiu, DO, Psychiatrist and Addiction Medicine Specialist, VA Medical Center, Boise
- Speaker: Lachelle Smith, former ECHO Idaho director
- Speaker: Neil Ragan, MD, Family Medicine Physician, Health West, Pocatello, ECHO Idaho participant
- Speaker: Jessica Bringman, NP, ECHO Idaho participant
- Speaker: Julie Wood, MD, ECHO Idaho participant
- Speaker: Jacob Harris, MD, Psychiatry and Addiction Medicine Specialist, Boise VA Medical Center
Music Contributions
- “ECHO Idaho Theme Song” written and performed by Sam Steffen
- Guitar instrumentals also provided by Sam Steffen
Episode 28 – Cathy Oliphant, Pharm.D. – Surveying Substance Use Disorder: Methamphetamines
Featuring: Cathy Oliphant, Pharm.D., Professor of Pharmacy Practice and Administrative Sciences, College of Pharmacy, Idaho State University
Featuring: Cathy Oliphant, PharmD, Professor of Pharmacy Practice and Administrative Sciences, Idaho State University College of Pharmacy
Didactic Presentation Details
- Didactic Presenter: Cathy Oliphant, PharmD, Professor of Pharmacy Practice and Administrative Sciences, Idaho State University College of Pharmacy
- Didactic Presentation Title: “Pharmacology of Methamphetamines and Other Stimulants”
- Didactic Presentation Date: July 14, 2022
- ECHO Idaho Series: Opioids, Pain and Substance Use Disorders
- Didactic Presentation Video
Resources and Publications Mentioned
- Combat Methamphetamine Epidemic Act of 2005 (CMEA)
- Desoxyn
- Adderall
- Mydayis
- Dexedrine
- Ritalin
- Concerta
- Catecholamine
- Rhabdomyolysis: a serious and potentially fatal medical condition in which skeletal muscle breaks down and releases harmful proteins and electrolytes into the blood.
- Erythroxylum
- Thrombus formation: a blood clot formed in an artery or vein
Speaking Credits
- Narrator / Host: Sam Steffen, Digital Media/Communications Specialist, ECHO Idaho, Boise
- Speaker: Sampson Nde, former ECHO Idaho Program Manager
- Speaker: Cathy Oliphant, PharmD, Professor of Pharmacy Practice and Administrative Sciences, Idaho State University College of Pharmacy
Music Contributions
- “ECHO Idaho Theme Song” written and performed by Sam Steffen
- Guitar instrumentals also provided by Sam Steffen
Episode 27 – Natalie Gukasyan, M.D. – Surveying Substance Use Disorder: Psilocybin
Featuring: Natalie Gukasyan, M.D., Assistant Professor of Psychiatry and Behavioral Sciences, Johns Hopkins University Center for Psychedelic and Consciousness Research
Featuring: Natalie Gukasyan, MD, Psychiatrist and Medical Director, Johns Hopkins University Center Psychedelic and Consciousness Research, Baltimore, MD
Didactic Presentation Details
- Didactic Presenter: Natalie Gukasyan, MD, Psychiatrist and Medical Director, Johns Hopkins University Center Psychedelic and Consciousness Research, Baltimore, MD
- Didactic Presentation Title: “Psychedelic-Assisted Therapy: Overview of Treatment Model and Current Evidence for Efficacy”
- Didactic Presentation Date: June 2, 2021
- ECHO Idaho Series: Behavioral Health in Primary Care
- Didactic Presentation Video
Resources and Publications Mentioned
- Johns Hopkins Center for Psychedelic and Consciousness Research
- Usona Institute
- Humphry Osmond
- Entheogen
- LSD: lysergic acid diethylamide
- DMT: dimethyltryptamine
- MDMA: methylenedioxymethamphetamine
- Ayahuasca
- MAPS (Multidisciplinary Association for Psychedelic Studies)
- Controlled Substances Act
- Ketanserin
- Claustrum: “part of the brain that connects the pre-frontal and the sub-cortical areas”
- Albert Hofmann
- Tim Leary
- Rick Strassman
- Ham-D score: an abbreviation for the Hamilton Depression Rating Scale
- Niacin: aka vitamin B3
- Lexapro (escitalopram)
Speaking Credits
- Narrator / Host: Sam Steffen, Digital Media/Communications Specialist, ECHO Idaho, Boise
- Speaker: Natalie Gukasyan, MD, Psychiatrist and Medical Director, Johns Hopkins University Center Psychedelic and Consciousness Research, Baltimore, MD
- Speaker: Lachelle Smith, former ECHO Idaho director
- Speaker: Tara Whitaker, MD, Family Medicine physician at Capital City Family Medicine, Boise
- Speaker: Nancy Chaney, RN, Moscow, and ECHO Idaho participant
Music Contributions
- “ECHO Idaho Theme Song” written and performed by Sam Steffen
- Guitar instrumentals also provided by Sam Steffen
Episode 26 – Anushka Burde, Pharm.D. – Surveying Substance Use Disorder: Kratom
Featuring: Anushka Burde, Pharm.D., AAHIVP, BCACP, HIV and Ambulatory Care Pharmacist, Idaho State University
Featuring: Anushka Burde, PharmD, AAHIVP, BCACP, HIV and Ambulatory Care Pharmacist, Idaho State University
Didactic Presentation Details
- Didactic Presenter: Anushka Burde, PharmD, AAHIVP, BCACP, HIV and Ambulatory Care Pharmacist, Idaho State University
- Didactic Presentation Title: “Kratom: What Clinicians Need to Know”
- Didactic Presentation Date: Dec. 7, 2022
- ECHO Idaho Series: Behavioral Health in Primary Care
- Didactic Presentation Video
Resources and Publications Mentioned
- Mitragyna speciosa
- Antipyretic: meaning, “used to prevent or reduce fever.”
- Antitussive: meaning, “used to prevent or relieve a cough.”
- Warfarin
- Dextromethorphan
- P-glycoprotein
- Clarithromycin
- Erythromycin
- The “two big organizations” that resisted the FDA’s Aug. 2016 proposal to make kratom a controlled substance included the American Kratom Association and the Botanical Education Alliance
- Madarosis: loss of the eyelashes or eyebrows as a congenital condition or the result of an infection.
- Diaphoresis: sweating to an unusual degree, usually as a side effect of a drug.
- Acetylcysteine
Speaking Credits
- Narrator / Host: Sam Steffen, Digital Media/Communications Specialist, ECHO Idaho, Boise
- Speaker: Anushka Burde, PharmD, AAHIVP, BCACP, HIV and Ambulatory Care Pharmacist, Idaho State University
- Speaker: Shannon McDowell, ECHO Idaho Program Manager
- Speaker: Coire Weathers, M.D., Psychiatrist, Lost River Wellness, Boise
- Speaker: Neil Ragan, M.D., Health West, Pocatello, ECHO Participant
- Speaker: Brian Crownover, M.D., ECHO Idaho participant
Music Contributions
- “ECHO Idaho Theme Song” written and performed by Sam Steffen
- Guitar instrumentals also provided by Sam Steffen
Episode 25 – Cathy Oliphant, Pharm.D. – Surveying Substance Use Disorder: Fentanyl
Featuring: Cathy Oliphant, Pharm.D., Professor of Pharmacy Practice and Administrative Sciences, College of Pharmacy, Idaho State University
Featuring: Cathy Oliphant, PharmD, Professor of Pharmacy Practice and Administrative Sciences, Idaho State University College of Pharmacy
Didactic Presentation Details
- Didactic Presenter: Cathy Oliphant, PharmD, Professor of Pharmacy Practice and Administrative Sciences, Idaho State University College of Pharmacy
- Didactic Presentation Title: “Fentanyl”
- Didactic Presentation Date: May 26, 2022
- ECHO Idaho Series: Opioids, Pain and Substance Use Disorders
- Didactic Presentation Video
Resources and Publications Mentioned
- National Fentanyl Awareness Day
- Duragesic
- Actiq
- Fentora
- Lazanda
- Subsys
- Lipophilic: meaning, “able to be combined with or stored in fat”
- CNS: An abbreviation for the central nervous system”
- REMS Program: The Risk-Evaluation and Mitigation Strategy Program
- Hypotensive: “lowering the blood pressure”
- Serotonin syndrome
- Nor-fentanyl (NF): a fentanyl metabolite
- The Federal Five: the five main drugs that are tested for in a standard federal or employer urine drug screen—namely, Amphetamines, Cocaine, Marijuana, Opiates and Phencyclidine (aka PCP).
- The Idaho Harm Reduction Project
- The Idaho Office of Drug Policy
- The Idaho Department of Health and Welfare Syringe Exchange Program
- CLIA waiver: Clinical Laboratory Improvement Amendments
- SEFRIA
- Kloxxado
- Evzio
Speaking Credits
- Narrator / Host: Sam Steffen, Digital Media/Communications Specialist, ECHO Idaho, Boise
- Speaker: Cathy Oliphant, PharmD, Professor of Pharmacy Practice and Administrative Sciences, Idaho State University College of Pharmacy
- Speaker: Lachelle Smith, former ECHO Idaho director
- Speaker: Todd Palmer, MD, Family Medicine and Addiction Medicine Physician, Geriatrician at Full Circle Health, Boise
- Speaker: Randi Pedersen, Syringe Exchange Program Manager, Idaho Department of Health and Welfare
- Speaker: Amy Jeppesen, LCSW, ACADC, Social Worker and Vice President of Corporate Development, Trivium Life Services, Boise
- Speaker: Derek Hayton, DO, ECHO Idaho participant
- Speaker: Megan McCarren, MD, Saint Alphonsus Health System, ECHO Idaho participant
- Speaker: Nari Hsiu, DO, Psychiatrist, Boise VA Medical Center
- Speaker: Brenda Hoyt, NP, Nurse Practitioner, Raise the Bottom Idaho, Boise
Music Contributions
- “ECHO Idaho Theme Song” written and performed by Sam Steffen
- Guitar instrumentals also provided by Sam Steffen
Episode 24 – Alicia Carrasco, M.D. – Surveying Substance Use Disorder: Opioids
Featuring: Alicia Carrasco, M.D., Internal Medicine Specialist, Boise VA Medical Center
Featuring: Alicia Carrasco, MD, MA, FASAM, Addiction Medicine and Internal Medicine, VA Medical Center, Boise
Didactic Presentation Details
- Didactic Presenter: Alicia Carrasco, MD, MA, FASAM, Addiction Medicine and Internal Medicine, VA Medical Center, Boise
- Didactic Presentation Title: “Complex Persistent Opioid Dependence”
- Didactic Presentation Date: June 9, 2022
- ECHO Idaho Series: Opioids, Pain and Substance Use Disorders
- Didactic Presentation Video
Resources and Publications Mentioned
- Invasive pneumococcal disease
- Norco
- Clonidine
- Loperamide
- Butrans Patch
- Belbuca
- Hyperalgesia: An increased sensitivity to feeling or experiencing pain.
- Clofen
- Duloxetine
Speaking Credits
- Narrator / Host: Sam Steffen, Digital Media/Communications Specialist, ECHO Idaho, Boise
- Speaker: Alicia Carrasco, M.D., MA, FASAM, Addiction Medicine and Internal Medicine, VA Medical Center, Boise
- Speaker: Katy Rodgers (née Palmer), ECHO Idaho Assistant Director
- Speaker: Todd Palmer, M.D., Addiction Medicine and Family Medicine, Geriatrician, Full Circle Health, Boise
- Speaker: Amy Jeppesen, LCSW, ACADC, Social Worker and Vice President of Corporate Development at Trivium Life Services, Boise
- Speaker: Neil Ragan, M.D., Family Medicine physician at Health West in Pocatello, ECHO Idaho participant
- Speaker: Cloeie Hood, LCSW, ACADC, Social Worker, Trivium Life Services, Boise and ECHO Idaho participant
Music Contributions
- “ECHO Idaho Theme Song” written and performed by Sam Steffen
- Guitar instrumentals also provided by Sam Steffen
Episode 23 – Michelle Cullinan, PMHNP – Surveying Substance Use Disorder: Marijuana/CBD
Featuring: Michelle Cullinan, PMHNP, Psychiatric Nurse Practitioner, Sage Health Care
Featuring: Michelle Cullinan, PMHNP, Psychiatric Nurse Practitioner, Sage Health Care, Boise
Didactic Presentation Details
- Didactic Presenter: Michelle Cullinan, PMHNP, Psychiatric Nurse Practitioner, Sage Health Care, Boise
- Didactic Presentation Title: “What is Going on with Cannabis and CBD?”
- Didactic Presentation Date: Nov. 16, 2022
- ECHO Idaho Series: Behavioral Health in Primary Care
- Didactic Presentation Video
Resources and Publications Mentioned
- CBD : cannabidiol, a compound found in marijuana
- THC : tetrahydrocannabinol, a compound found in marijuana
- Marinol: an FDA-approved medication used to treat nausea and vomiting from chemotherapy as well as weight loss in HIV patients.
- Emetic: a substance that causes vomiting
- Sativa: the energizing strain of marijuana
- Indica: physically sedating strain of marijuana
- OLCC: Oregon Liquor and Cannabis Commission
- Zyprexa (olanzapine)
- Haldol (haloperidol)
- Antileptic carbamazepine
- Aripiprazole
- AKT-1 gene variation
- Gabapentin
- NAC: N-Acetyl Cysteine
- “Bud-tender”: a cannabis dispensary employee
Speaking Credits
- Narrator / Host: Sam Steffen, Digital Media/Communications Specialist, ECHO Idaho, Boise
- Speaker: Shannon McDowell, ECHO Idaho Program Manager
- Speaker: Michelle Cullinan, PMHNP, Psychiatric Nurse Practitioner, Sage Health Care, Boise
- Speaker: Tara Whitaker, MD, Family Medicine Physician, Capital City Family Medicine, Boise
- Speaker: Rachel Root, PhD, Psychologist, Treasure Valley Psychology, Boise
- Speaker: Neil Ragan, MD, Health West, Pocatello, ECHO Idaho participant
- Speaker: Mark Worthen, PsyD, Health West, Pocatello, ECHO Idaho participant
Music Contributions
- “ECHO Idaho Theme Song” written and performed by Sam Steffen
- Guitar instrumentals also provided by Sam Steffen
Episode 22 – Elsbeth Jensen-Otsu, M.D. – Surveying Substance Use Disorder: Alcohol
Featuring: Elsbeth Jensen-Otsu, M.D., Hepatologist and Gastroenterologist, Boise VA Medical Center
Featuring: Elsbeth Jensen-Otsu, M.D., Hepatologist and Gastroenterologist, VA Medical Center, Boise
Didactic Presentation Details
- Didactic Presenter: Elsbeth Jensen-Otsu, M.D., Hepatologist and Gastroenterologist, VA Medical Center, Boise
- Didactic Presentation Title: “Alcohol-Related Liver Disease”
- Didactic Presentation Date: Feb. 28, 2022
- ECHO Idaho Series: Viral Hepatitis and Liver Care
- Didactic Presentation Video
Resources and Publications Mentioned
- ALD: Shorthand for “Alcohol Related Liver Disease”
- Steatosis: excessive fat in the liver
- Steatohepatitis: excessive fat in the liver with inflammation
- AUD: Alcohol Use Disorder
- BMI: Body Mass Index
- LFTs: Liver Function Tests
- AST: A blood test that measures the aspartate aminotransferase enzyme
- ALT: A blood test that measures the alanine aminotransferase enzyme
- STEMIs: ST-elevation myocardial infarction
- INR: international normalized ratio
- Tender hepatomegaly: enlarged liver
- Cholecystitis: inflammation of the gall bladder
- Spider angioma: enlarged blood vessels
- Maddrey’s Discriminant Function
- MELD: Model for End-Stage Liver Disease
- STOPAH Trial
- “Indication of liver transplantation in severe alcoholic liver cirrhosis: quantitative evaluation and optimal timing”
- “ESPEN Guidelines on Enteral Nutrition: Liver Disease”, Cabre et. Al
- ASH: alcoholic steatohepatitis
- NASH: non-alcoholic steatohepatitis
- APRI: AST to Platelet Ratio Index
Speaking Credits
- Narrator / Host: Sam Steffen, Digital Media/Communications Specialist, ECHO Idaho, Boise
- Speaker: Elsbeth Jensen-Otsu, M.D., Gastroenterologist and Hepatologist, VA Medical Center, Boise
- Speaker: Abby Davids, MD, MPH, AAHIVS, Associate Program Director, HIV & Viral Hepatitis Fellowship Director, Full Circle Health
- Speaker: Winslow Gerrish, PhD, Clinical Psychologist, Director of Behavioral Sciences, Research, and Grants, Full Circle Health, Boise
- Speaker: Ian Troesoyer, DNP, ECHO Idaho participant
Music Contributions
- “ECHO Idaho Theme Song” written and performed by Sam Steffen
- Guitar instrumentals also provided by Sam Steffen
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